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Fandango · Jun 02, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Hi, i just created this Monk. and i just wonder if i can increase my energy if i go elementarist as secondary?

Fye Duron · Jun 02, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

No Energy Storage is only for Elem. Primes

Fandango · Jun 03, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Okies thank you.

DismalClown · Jun 03, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15

You could always make a Elem/Monk but then you miss out on Divine Favor which gives you more healing per heal and has some nice spells.

Or you could go Mo/Elem for some of the defensive wards that the elems have.

Immortal Flame · Jun 03, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

I don't reccommend taking E/Mo...people are stupid and are biased toward them. shrug.

Dumahim Ashenbane · Jun 03, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

E/M is very flexible and powerful. Sure you lose out on the extra healing, but you're going to have a lot more mana to be casting heals then any monk/*

C-Tzar · Jun 03, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Immortal Flame

I don't reccommend taking E/Mo...people are stupid and are biased toward them. shrug.

Wow, that was a ridiculous post. It's a very versatile combo that can be fun to play. Care to qualify your statement? What's your beef with them (besides "people are stupid")?

Jana · Jun 03, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

Wow, that was a ridiculous post. It's a very versatile combo that can be fun to play. Care to qualify your statement? What's your beef with them (besides "people are stupid")?

See, the issue is NOT that an E/Mo cannot be a good monk. They can, and do.

The issues lies with both people's perceptions AND with what not being a primary monk entails.

What I mean is, as a primary monk, I am normally not looking around for the "best shot" on a target and then cast a slow casting damage spell (like many Elementalists do, for one example). My key priority is to heal and protect, no matter what my secondary, which is why I chose the monk primary.

I consider myself lucky if I actually see the battle actually happening, as 99% of the time I watching health bars and the mini map (to make sure people have not moved too far). I am spending my time trying to guess at the rate someone or everyone is losing health and act accordingly, NOT when the best time to fire an AoE spell, or a hex spell is. (Not that I won't, but its NOT a priority).

Most primary monks do not worry too much about their secondaries. They are important, but only as an means to an end to keep right on healing and protecting.

Hope this makes sense.

Jana

Ninna · Jun 03, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

nice post Jana

Ive played both E/Mo and Mo/Me and I agree

Ive seen many people NOT consider E/Mos as valid healers due to their ignorance

Dayala · Jun 03, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by Ninna

Ive seen many people NOT consider E/Mos as valid healers due to their ignorance

Too true. In pvp battles, the monk prime is normally always attacked first. In can be a long time until the opposition even realizes that my Arcane healer is doing a lot of our team's healing!
Once they do, I am in trouble...but usually by then it is too late.

casskeogh · Jun 03, 2005, 01:48 PM // 13:48

I kind of treat my ele/monk as a back up healer
If i was told in advance i was the sole healer I would have to do a skills rejig

don't let others attitude problems stop you beng a class you want to be

monk/ele get more healing for their energy
ele/monk get more energy therefore can cast more spells before running out of energy

has anyone done the maths on this yet do you know ?

Jana · Jun 03, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

It's not ignorance. It really isn't. MANY monk secondaries are good monks.

THE KEY is that even if they are setup as monks, they are NOT focused 100% on healing and protecting, even if their skills are.

I know this statement is confusing, and I am trying not to be insulting, especially to my favorite Tzar

, but many people actually SEE, in practice what the difference is.

They know that a monk primary (healer and protector - normally a non-smiting, non-Mo/W) is watching health bars. They can see, like an E/Mo, using offensive spells at times and when someone dies and they then notice like an AoE fire attack, they get mad and remember. Not that they don't get mad when a primary healing / protecting monk can;t save everyone, BUT the perception is they are trying and just getting overwhelmed.

Jana

Ninna · Jun 03, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

it can be frustrating in PvE pickup groups

the "only good healer = Primary monk" bias works the opposite way too

I have to tell groups (often) that being a Monk does not guarantee healing
- just because the player looks like monk doesnt mean they are a healing monk

Ninna · Jun 03, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Jana

They know that a monk primary (healer and protector - normally a non-smiting, non-Mo/W) is watching health bars. They can see, like an E/Mo, using offensive spells at times and when someone dies and they then notice like an AoE fire attack, they get mad and remember. Not that they don't get mad when a primary healing / protecting monk can;t save everyone, BUT the perception is they are trying and just getting overwhelmed.

Jana

I had very different experiences

as a monk I got blamed alot for poor heals
(despite stupid things like I was just rezzed ...)

as a E/Mo (and being only healer) I never got blamed for poor healing
- and recieved many more compliments

Jana · Jun 03, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

True. It really does depend on player skill.

But I tell you this much. A GOOD monk primary, using some really nice divine skills and the divine bonuses, can EASILY out-heal and out-protect a GOOD secondary monk, even with almost HALF the energy.

Divine Spirit is great for this.

Jana

Ninna · Jun 03, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I agree

C-Tzar · Jun 03, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Don't worry about offending me, Jana, I'm nobody special. Besides, I agree with everything you said. My issue was with the blanket statement (not by you) that poeple like E/Mos basically because "they are stupid" with absolutely nothing to back it up. I don't pretend to be as good a healer as a monk and don't need to be. But not being as good of a healer as a monk does NOT mean it's not a good combo, just a different play style. My E/Mo is a nuker that throws backup heals when things get hairy.

Now to clarify what Immortal may have meant:

I've had to play the primary healer on occasion when the group couldn't get a monk and it IS doable, but not preferable. Yes, I can throw more heals than a Mo/*, but since they aren't as effective I HAVE to throw more of them which means I'm still hurting for energy, even with ES, and it takes longer to throw more heals, and sometimes you just can't cast them quick enough to make up for it. So as a PRIMARY healer, I wouldn't recommend E/Mo, but as a good backup healer that can dish out some mean damage, E/Mo rocks.

And if that's not enough, female elementalists are just plain sexy!

ChristopherKee · Jun 03, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Jana

It's not ignorance. It really isn't. MANY monk secondaries are good monks.

THE KEY is that even if they are setup as monks, they are NOT focused 100% on healing and protecting, even if their skills are.

Jana

Hi Jana,

I play a E/Mo and a Mo/Me. I can say in all honesty when I play my E/Mo as a primary healer, I do 0 (zero) damage and do nothing but watch bars and heal.

I can dump healing seed ward against melle and strip hexes and spam heal and have tones of power to do it with. I play an E/Mo for the purpose of using protection spells group heals and well, to keep the other primary monk alive while he.she is the main target.

It's easy to play a E/Mo with organized groups who know the power of wards/protection/and group heals. And since Divine only affects the heal on the main target, group stuff stays as powerful.

Jun 02, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#1
Fandango Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Elementary as secondary Hi, i just created this Monk. and i just wonder if i can increase my energy if i go elementarist as secondary?

Jun 03, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#17
C-Tzar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: North AL, USA Profession: E/Mo	Don't worry about offending me, Jana, I'm nobody special. Besides, I agree with everything you said. My issue was with the blanket statement (not by you) that poeple like E/Mos basically because "they are stupid" with absolutely nothing to back it up. I don't pretend to be as good a healer as a monk and don't need to be. But not being as good of a healer as a monk does NOT mean it's not a good combo, just a different play style. My E/Mo is a nuker that throws backup heals when things get hairy. Now to clarify what Immortal may have meant: I've had to play the primary healer on occasion when the group couldn't get a monk and it IS doable, but not preferable. Yes, I can throw more heals than a Mo/, but since they aren't as effective I HAVE to throw more of them which means I'm still hurting for energy, even with ES, and it takes longer to throw more heals, and sometimes you just can't cast them quick enough to make up for it. So as a PRIMARY healer, I wouldn't recommend E/Mo, but as a good backup healer that can dish out some mean damage, E/Mo rocks. And if that's not enough, female elementalists are just plain sexy! Last edited by C-Tzar; Jun 03, 2005 at 03:09 PM // 15:09..*

Jun 02, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54	#2
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	No Energy Storage is only for Elem. Primes

Jun 03, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14	#3
Fandango Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Okies thank you.

Jun 03, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15	#4
DismalClown Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	You could always make a Elem/Monk but then you miss out on Divine Favor which gives you more healing per heal and has some nice spells. Or you could go Mo/Elem for some of the defensive wards that the elems have.

Jun 03, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48	#5
Immortal Flame Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA, California Guild: Nothing to Lose [NtL]	I don't reccommend taking E/Mo...people are stupid and are biased toward them. shrug.

Jun 03, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50	#6
Dumahim Ashenbane Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Steel Horse Men Profession: R/E	E/M is very flexible and powerful. Sure you lose out on the extra healing, but you're going to have a lot more mana to be casting heals then any monk/*

Jun 03, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43	#9
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	nice post Jana Ive played both E/Mo and Mo/Me and I agree Ive seen many people NOT consider E/Mos as valid healers due to their ignorance

Jun 03, 2005, 01:48 PM // 13:48	#11
casskeogh Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: North England Guild: community of darkness (COD) Profession: E/Mo	I kind of treat my ele/monk as a back up healer If i was told in advance i was the sole healer I would have to do a skills rejig don't let others attitude problems stop you beng a class you want to be monk/ele get more healing for their energy ele/monk get more energy therefore can cast more spells before running out of energy has anyone done the maths on this yet do you know ?

Jun 03, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52	#12
Jana Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Knights of the Silver Flame Profession: Mo/Me	It's not ignorance. It really isn't. MANY monk secondaries are good monks. THE KEY is that even if they are setup as monks, they are NOT focused 100% on healing and protecting, even if their skills are. I know this statement is confusing, and I am trying not to be insulting, especially to my favorite Tzar , but many people actually SEE, in practice what the difference is. They know that a monk primary (healer and protector - normally a non-smiting, non-Mo/W) is watching health bars. They can see, like an E/Mo, using offensive spells at times and when someone dies and they then notice like an AoE fire attack, they get mad and remember. Not that they don't get mad when a primary healing / protecting monk can;t save everyone, BUT the perception is they are trying and just getting overwhelmed. Jana

Jun 03, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54	#13
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	it can be frustrating in PvE pickup groups the "only good healer = Primary monk" bias works the opposite way too I have to tell groups (often) that being a Monk does not guarantee healing - just because the player looks like monk doesnt mean they are a healing monk

Jun 03, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58	#15
Jana Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Knights of the Silver Flame Profession: Mo/Me	True. It really does depend on player skill. But I tell you this much. A GOOD monk primary, using some really nice divine skills and the divine bonuses, can EASILY out-heal and out-protect a GOOD secondary monk, even with almost HALF the energy. Divine Spirit is great for this. Jana

Jun 03, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#16
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	I agree